zen a 'sex criminal.'!! However, he felt that a great

error was involved and that the term sex criminal should only apply to those who used sex as a means to perpetrating harmful acts upon other persons. Dr. Graves seemed to concur with Dr. Zifferstein.

"Aro all homosexuals sex criminals and why do they receive special consideration?" On this topic Mr. Otash felt that all homosexuals wore sex criminals by the letter of the law. Further, in his opinion, this was rightly so. He felt that homosexuals went about breeding more homosexuals, simply by contact. According to him they could not keep to their own kind but "preyed on normal men" and converted them to their way of life. Mr. Otash seemed to grow exceedingly weary of the constant use of the term "homosexual" and retorted at one point, "You may call them homosexuals; I call them 'fags.'" Mr. Selwyn said that he would leave the question to the psychiatrists as to whether a homosexual could convert a "normal man" to a homosexual simply with one or two casual sex experiences. However, he was most interested in the manner in which the police got their evidence and their "homosexual sex criminals." He mentioned the peephole technique in "commodes" and the quasi-entrapment methods widely used by the vice squad. In the former, he felt that while the men involved were indiscreet to have sexual acts in a public place, that nevertheless it could hardly be assumed that they were other than consenting adults and both homosexuals and that this should not be penalized so high as 15 years in jail. In the latter, the technique consisted of playing up to a homosexual's weakness, getting him to make a "pass," and then flashing a badge. Mr. Selwyn took a dim view, indeed, of this latter practice.

Mr. Otash seemed to be stung at this bald statement of police tactics and said in defense that while he had been one of those staked out at peophole sights in public "commodes" at Venice, Calif., that the police did not do this without complaints that complaints had come in that homosexuals were seducing children and propositioning normal men in the latrines that the police investigated, found this to be true and to ok to jail the offenders. Mr. Selwyn wished all sex crimes to be divided into three parts; those perpetrated by for oo, those involving children, and those involving consenting adults. The latter group he felt should be removed from the category